Tom Noie answered readers' Notre Dame basketball questions in a live chat. Read the transcript.

 Live Chat: Talk Notre Dame basketball with Tom Noie(02/14/2013) 
11:57
Tom Noie: 
Just when you think you've seen and done it all in 15 years on the Notre Dame men's basketball beat something like Saturday comes out of nowhere and hits you like a Jack Cooley screen in the open floor.

Wow.

Still trying to digest all that happened at Purcell Pavilion late Saturday and early Sunday morning with the rive-overtime victory over Louisville. Just when you thought you were past that, here comes another overtime game against DePaul.

Never a dull moment in the Big East, especially this time of year.

Wednesday's win improved Notre Dame to 20-5 overall, 8-4 in the Big East with two-thirds of the league schedule down. That's the good news. The not-so good news is the toughest part of the schedule likely awaits.

The Irish have been good in winning five of the last six without Scott Martin, but they better be even better starting Saturday at Providence, which is nowhere near a gimmie-game and many might expect.

We're here for the next few hours to talk hoops. To ask a question, also include your name and hometown. Hopefully we'll have better participation here this afternoon than in the Notre Dame student section last night. Ouch.

Onward.....

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Thursday February 14, 2013 11:57 Tom Noie
12:04
[Comment From Bonkers in YonkersBonkers in Yonkers: ] 
Tom, I hate to say it, but a good friend of mine left the Louisville game with :50 seconds to go. He always stats to the bitter end but something about Saturday night got under his skin and he bounced. Snaggles is taking it pretty rough, as he should be. I think the proper punishment is to text him whenever the opposing team scores their first point with, "Game's over. You should leave." When is the cutoff date to stop those texts?
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:04 Bonkers in Yonkers
12:07
Tom Noie: 
Bonkers:

A neighbor who is a season-ticket holder also bailed late in regulation. Another neighbor never bothered to go. Fortunately, my wife and son who had tickets decided to stick it out and stayed for all five overtimes.

Game was unreal.

I would not have left, even like one of the regular dopes who routinely leave early to beat traffic. There's just too much overtime history between the teams to think a game is over even when it looks over.

That Louisville had five chances to win it at the end of regulation and at the end of each of the first four overtimes is mind-blowing.

Notre Dame needed a stop and finally delivered a stop. It also helped that Russ Smith slipped into his "Russ-diculous" mode and played out of his mind - and not in a good way.

Note to Snaggles - never, ever,ever leave a Notre Dame-Louisville game early. Ever.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:07 Tom Noie
12:07
[Comment From David in GrangerDavid in Granger: ] 
Latest on Martin? Don't you think Auguste should get some more playing time? Knight gives maximum effort but is limited for long spells. He was getting beat off the dribble badly last night.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:07 David in Granger
12:10
Tom Noie: 
David:

No news is not good news for Scott Martin. He shot around and did some non-contact drills in practice for the first time last Thursday. On Monday, he wasn't dressed to practice, which leads you to believe there's still too much soreness.

You just can't count on him the rest of the way. If he comes back, great, but even then no one really knows how long he'll be able to go before the knee pain returns.

It was obvious in the St. John's game that Martin was a different player, but he insisted he was fine. He really wasn't.

As for Auguste - small steps. He's going to be a major player down the road but is still learning, as evidence of last night's drive and missed dunk. He got what fans were there out of their seats but also earned a trip back to the bench.

The coaching staff has more confidence in Knight right now. That may change moving forward, but Auguste is a heck of a talent.

Thursday February 14, 2013 12:10 Tom Noie
12:10
[Comment From TomTom: ] 
What is with Coach Brey's love for Tom Knight? Auguste provides more energy and Sherman showed what he can do in the Louisville game, yet Knight was playing in crunch time last night. What am I missing?
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:10 Tom
12:13
Tom Noie: 
Tom:

Tom Knight has the trust of the coaching staff, a big reason why he's getting the minutes. He gave the Irish five points and eight rebounds with two blocks in 29 minutes. Not great, but not enough for him to lose his spot.

There are reasons why Garrick Sherman didn't play for the better part of three weeks and why it's small steps with Auguste. Sherman has to even better than what he was last night while Auguste is still learning the game.

Mike Brey will play the guy he trusts over any other factor. Every. Single Time.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:13 Tom Noie
12:14
[Comment From Big Rome- St. Paul, MNBig Rome- St. Paul, MN: ] 
I understand the potential downside of playing freshmen early, and Brey's regular season success certainly speaks for itself, but how many years in a row do we have to have a significant player injured, followed by a lengthening of the bench- which leads to a great run. One gets the impression that the team plays its best when more players are forced to contribute- especially in the conference portion of the schedule. Why don't we go deeper into the bench before an injury forces our hand?
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:14 Big Rome- St. Paul, MN
12:17
Tom Noie: 
Big Rome:

Nice. Why? Because that's the way Mike Brey coaches. Expecting Mike Brey to go eight and nine deep in his rotation is like asking him to suddenly run the Princeton offense, or run a style similar to that of Loyola Marymount of the early 1990s.

A deep bench goes against everything Mike Brey believes in as a head coach.

The smaller the rotation, the smaller number of issues you have to manage and the more your core guys can build trust in one another, and in the coaching staff.

Mike Brey cannot go into a season trying to play eight and nine guys just in case someone goes down. When it happens, then he has to adjust on on the fly.

It's one thing to adjust your style, but it's an entirely different story to adjust the way the Irish have done since Scott Martin went down and still win five of six in the Big East.

Thursday February 14, 2013 12:17 Tom Noie
12:17
[Comment From Snaggles in SBISnaggles in SBI: ] 
I literally saw people leaving to try and beat traffic against Rutgers when they were down 1 with like 9 seconds left and had the ball. I feel I am somehow related to those 'dopes' after my early exit debacle. I spent the entire parking lot walk ripping Grant with my buddy before hearing he went off for 12 straight. I watched the remaining 5 OTs at O'Rourkes, I think I should be banned from chat for 1 month minimum
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:17 Snaggles in SBI
12:18
Tom Noie: 
Snaggles:

You're always invited here. But buying lunch and/or dinner (and a bowl of soup doesn't count!) for me sounds like proper penance.

Next time, stick around. You never know what you'll miss.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:18 Tom Noie
12:18
[Comment From Leprechaun LegionLeprechaun Legion: ] 
I feel great today, with all the rest I got last night. I did hear something about a basketball game being played last night though, huh, wonder how that went.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:18 Leprechaun Legion
12:20
Tom Noie: 
LL:

Too many Legion members were playing video games or doing laundry or playing games on their iPhones to notice.

When Mike Brey calls you guys out in his post-game presser, you know he's not happy. Nor should he be.

I've taken a lot of heat - and that's quite all right - about bashing the student support of this program the last few years. But last night was downright disappointing.

That came on the heels of ESPN College GameDay where there were may - maybe - 200 students there. Someone at GameDay said it was the worst crowd participation in the history of the show.

How about that?
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:20 Tom Noie
12:21
[Comment From Scott (Mishawaka)Scott (Mishawaka): ] 
Tom, can't chat right now. Thinking about the Bengal Bouts.....Come ooooonnnnnn students!
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:21 Scott (Mishawaka)
12:22
Tom Noie: 
Scott:

Ridiculous. Shame on the university for not scheduling smarter. Both of those events deserve everyone's undivided attention. Schedule them at the same time, and you're forcing people to make a choice. One way or another, somebody's going to lose.

And Notre Dame hoops almost lost a game it had no business losing because of an absent home crowd.

Felt like Allstate Arena in there.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:22 Tom Noie
12:22
[Comment From David in GrangerDavid in Granger: ] 
Watch this year be a Sweet 16 year, but something seems to be off with this team. Maybe they will put it all together and peak at the end of the year unlike prior years. I know they are a half game out of first, but this year has been maddeningly inconsistent. Why? Same core group of players plus adding CB, ZA, and GS. Hard for me to believe the loss of Martin had that much of an impact.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:22 David in Granger
12:25
Tom Noie: 
David:

You'd be surprised, but the loss of Martin is a huge factor. Not in terms of points and rebounds but in terms of continuity and holding it all together. Martin was the leading 3-point shooter in the Big East when he shut it down.

His presence helped everything flow so much smoothly. He was the most consistent voice on the floor and in huddles. Now he may be done.

It's been a scramble since in trying to understand where guys fit in key roles.

Mike Brey was as excited as I've seen him the night of the win at Cincinnati. He's not been the same since - that was the last time Martin was a factor.

Thursday February 14, 2013 12:25 Tom Noie
12:25
[Comment From Brooks Fan-ChicagoBrooks Fan-Chicago: ] 
Tom, what is driving me nuts are these long 7, 8 and 10 minute periods without scoring. Every game has ebbs and flows, but those droughts are really hurting. How is that best addressed? Radio commentary seems to suggest going back to basics and getting Cooley the ball in the blocks.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:25 Brooks Fan-Chicago
12:26
Tom Noie: 
Brooks:

Funny you should mention that. I asked Mike Brey about that very subject on today's coach's call and will be writing about what ails the Irish offense for Saturday's SBT.

Short answer - guys are trying to be too fine with their shots instead of shooting it when they're open. As a result, the shot clock drains away and they have to figure something out on the fly instead of just playing.

Honestly, this team almost is too smart for its own good. When they just play, they're pretty good. When they try to be too fine, they struggle.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:26 Tom Noie
12:27
[Comment From RobRob: ] 
Sorry if it has been asked before, but just how good is Demetrius Jackson. I know how highly he is ranked, but can he really come in and take away playing time from Jackson or Grant?
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:27 Rob
12:29
Tom Noie: 
Rob:

Absolutely not. IF we've learned anything about Mike Brey's system, nobody steps in the door and swipes playing time from two guys who have been established, major-minute guys for two years.

What Jackson can do is help offset all the attention on Atkins and Grant. Maybe even play a three-guard look.

Any question on how good Jackson is should look no further than this season.

Marian is 9-8 and has struggled to be average. Jackson is the center of attention of every defense every game but still leads the South Bend area in scoring at 28 points per game.

He is a legit Division I guard talent right now. He's going to be really good.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:29 Tom Noie
12:29
[Comment From David in GrangerDavid in Granger : ]
Student turnout was stunning--not in a good way.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:29 
12:29
Tom Noie: 
The picture says it all.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:29 Tom Noie
12:30
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Tommy Terrific, with Brey acknowledging in the ICONN video that he was already thinking of his post-game speech during the end of Louisville regulation, do you think he also starts thinking of post game-dinner plans midway through the second half?
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:30 Guest
12:30
Tom Noie: 
Guest:

Based on some of the dishes served in the pre-game media dining area, I sure would be thinking that way.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:30 Tom Noie
12:30
[Comment From Saint KnuteSaint Knute: ] 
The students should be called out. Surprised Brey has been able to hold his tongue this long. Thankfully, they do not have court-side seats like other places. That would make it even more embarrassing. These are your fellow students and they deserve your support no matter who the opponent is
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:30 Saint Knute
12:32
Tom Noie: 
Saint:

I love the students who whine and belly-ache about not being seated around the court like at Michigan State. What a joke.

That's what the university needs for national TV games - everyone sees empty seats because the students are AWOL.

Those courtside seats would be filled for maybe two or three games a year. Give me a break.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:32 Tom Noie
12:32
[Comment From John ToledoJohn Toledo: ] 
I must admit, I watching the Louisville game and turned on the news with 50 seconds left. My son called me when it went to OT and I was like, "Huh"?? I agree with David: This team is sometimes frustrating to watch. It had "it" last year during that BE streak but it seemed to disappear once again in the postseason! What is "it" that ND is missing?
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:32 John Toledo
12:33
Tom Noie: 
John:

If they knew what it was, they'd have it.

Thursday February 14, 2013 12:33 Tom Noie
12:33
[Comment From GloveND from ATXGloveND from ATX: ] 
Tom, if you're jotting down possible Where Are They Now subjects after the annual March Sadness winds up, maybe the 3 man final McLeod recruiting class of Troy Murphy (know what he's up to), David Graves and Harold Swanagan.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:33 GloveND from ATX
12:35
Tom Noie: 
Glove:

You're kidding on Harold Swanagan right? He can be found at the end of the Notre Dame bench as coordinator of basketball operations.

Seeing Swanagan during the Louisville game the other night was hilarious. he was crouched down and onto the court during the overtimes. He played in the four-overtime game in 2002 and admitted early Sunday morning it's so much harder to be a coach than a player in that situation.

He's good people, as is David Graves, who works in private business back in Lexington, Ky. I still keep in touch with him.

Thursday February 14, 2013 12:35 Tom Noie
12:35
[Comment From Bill IndyBill Indy: ] 
A pull up jump shot would be a great addition to the games of Grant, Atkins, and Connaughton! No one seems at ease in creating their own shot and so we have little chance when the shot clock runs down..
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:35 Bill Indy
12:36
Tom Noie: 
Bill:

Taking the first shot that's there also helps. Grant did that in one sequence last night against DePaul and Brey said afterward he's been on his backside for three years to do that.

That goes back to the point of being too fine and even a bit greedy. These guys have shots, but don't take them, either because they're worried about missing it after having missed one or believing they can get something better.

That leads to such a staggered offensive effort.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:36 Tom Noie
12:37
[Comment From Brooks Fan-ChicagoBrooks Fan-Chicago: ] 
Tom, I don't want to steal any more thunder from your Saturday story, but another offensive pet peeve of mine is inconsistency in finishing at the basket. Not necessarily limited to this year's squad, I remember bringing it up wiht you a year ago. Just go up and dunk the doggone thing. Seems to be too much finesse, or anticipating contact, which you just can't do down in the Land of the Giants.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:37 Brooks Fan-Chicago
12:38
Tom Noie: 
Brooks:

That's Exhibit 1A why Garrick Sherman fell out of the rotation. Sherman! Sherman! Sherman! has been the cry since Louisville, but remember, he was 0-for-4 with four point-blank looks that would have helped bust open the St. John's game. He also missed an easy one around the rim last night.

That guys who are 6-9, 6-10 and 6-11 and cannot dunk every time close to the rim is staggering. At least Knight finishes strong. So does Auguste.

I cannot agree enough - dunk the ball. Send it in Sherman!
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:38 Tom Noie
12:38
[Comment From Bonkers in YonkersBonkers in Yonkers: ] 
Piling on Bill from Indy's comment about the shot clock winding down, why does the offense consistently regress to a stall until :10 seconds then run pick and roll with Grant or Atkins? ND moves the ball so well for most of the game but decides to hold it during the final 6 minutes. Do other players get frustrated with the scheme?
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:38 Bonkers in Yonkers
12:40
Tom Noie: 
Bonkers:

Part of that comes from the bench with Brey believing a team like DePaul which likes to get out in the open floor and run and score and then trap and score more doesn't have it in them to dig in and defend for 35 minutes.

That's all fine and dandy, but the execution has to be way, way way better than it's been. As good as Brey believes his guards are, they've made some questionable decisions in those late-clock, late-game situations.

The Irish are 8-4 in the league but thisclose....thisclose......to being 6-6.

Fragile.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:40 Tom Noie
12:46
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Has this season played out to your expectations? I was hoping Grant and Cooley would make greater strides this year. Both have been inconsistent. I also thought Biedschied would have more of an impact.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:46 Guest
12:50
Tom Noie: 
Guest:

It's really hard to argue with what Jack Cooley has offered the Irish. He had 13 double-doubles for points and rebounds last season and already has 17 this season.

Grant's been an enigma. He's such a talent but he's gone through lone stretches where he's not been there. Not sure why.

Everyone else has done as expected from a stats standpoint but there have only been snapshots - second half of Cincinnati and South Florida, overtimes against Louisville - where this team played at a level you expected them to be at since the start of the season.

Won-loss wise, it's hard to shake free that collapse against Georgetown when Notre Dame was down 22 points. That hasn't happened since the latter days of Chris Thomas where an Irish team seemingly quit.

Maybe all the pieces finally fall into place next month. It would be a nice change.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:50 Tom Noie
12:50
[Comment From David in GrangerDavid in Granger: ] 
I predict an 11-7 finish. Probably a bye in BE tourney. This Providence game is crucial to get to 11-7 as the other road games are exponenetially more difficult.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:50 David in Granger
12:51
Tom Noie: 
David:

Agree. I said before DePaul game that it looked like 11-7. It could swing one game either way and go 12-6 or 10-8.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:51 Tom Noie
12:51
[Comment From Bill IndyBill Indy: ] 
All of these struggles will be forgotten 6 weeks from now after this team has figured it all out and made it to the BE Championship game and reached the sweet 16!! Fans can still dream!?
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:51 Bill Indy
12:52
Tom Noie: 
Bill:

Of course you can still dream, but I would dream less about a Big East Championship and more about going deeper in the NCAA tournament. It's more important for this program to get to the second weekend of the NCAA tournament than to get to play for a Big East Championship.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:52 Tom Noie
12:53
[Comment From marcmarc: ] 
Tom why no ring of honor this year.Seems like nd would keep that rolling.Also can't nd do more to get people and students to the game.This is the 2nd best team in the country at home.It's really sad for the team and coach Brey.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:53 marc
12:55
Tom Noie: 
Marc:

Notre Dame decided to skip this season in terms of adding someone in the Ring.

And the lack of student support for this program is something no one can ever adequately explain or understand. It's baffling, but it's also been something that's been there for years. It just topped out (hopefully) against DePaul.

One long-time college basketball observer insists Notre Dame just attracts a different type of student than it did in the 1970s and 1980s - one that just doesn't care much about hoops.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:55 Tom Noie
12:58
[Comment From DavidDavid: ] 
Agree that Cooley has been very good but even he has had his down games. He allowed the UConn center to look like an All American. And he was MIA against St. John's. Losing that St. John's game was a killer.
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:58 David
12:59
Tom Noie: 
David:

True, but no one stepped in determined to help with the heavy lifting, which underscored Cooley's emotional absence. It's OK for him to have a bad game, but when everyone else goes in the tank as well, the result is going to be what it was that night.

Thursday February 14, 2013 12:59 Tom Noie
1:03
[Comment From DavidDavid: ] 
Does Digger Phelps belong in the Ring of Honor?
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:03 David
1:05
Tom Noie: 
David:

Without any doubt. Look at the Ring of Honor like an honor into any of the Halls of Fame. Can you tell the story of a particular sport without Player A, B or C? If no, then he's Hall of Fame material.

Can you tell the story of Notre Dame men's basketball without Digger Phelps? Nope.

He should be in.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:05 Tom Noie
1:06
[Comment From PhilPhil: ] 
In games coming down to the last offensive possession does Mike Brey set up a play or give the players a plan of attack? Pretty much in every situation for the last couple years when it comes down to the last possession, someone dribbles at the top of the key until the clock is at about 5 seconds and ends up chucking up a prayer.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:06 Phil
1:08
Tom Noie: 
Phil:

True. Bad possessions, like last night with Jerian Grant. It was almost the same exact sequence as the first game against DePaul - dribble until a late clock then a tough shot.

Mike Brey puts it in the hands of his guards to go make the right play, but they haven't. Next time, run something for Jack Cooley. The outcome may be different.
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Thursday February 14, 2013 1:08 Tom Noie
1:08
[Comment From Robb, ColoradoRobb, Colorado: ] 
There has to be something really going on that the students, and many other fans, stay away from games like last night. Do you feel there is a disconnect of some type between coach, fans, players, students, etc.? It has to be more than just playing DePaul on a Wednesday night. I understand that ND is really a football school, but does Duke have problems with attendance at their football games? There just seems to be something missing in terms of how all of these parties come together.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:08 Robb, Colorado
1:12
Tom Noie: 
Robb:

How could there be a disconnect? A new group of students arrive every August. They can't be brain-washed that quickly, can they?

Apparently the Notre Dame students don't like success. Seven-straight seasons of at least 20 wins and closing in on a fourth-straight season of at least 10 league wins. Yes, the NCAA tournament flameouts are a factor, but really shouldn't be.

You can't go to a game or decide not to go to a game concerned that the Irish "are just going to lose early in the NCAA."

They were really good and in full force for Louisville, so there's nothing that should change four nights later.

They just don't care to invest in every single game. Louisville? OK, we're there. DePaul? Let's play video games instead.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:12 Tom Noie
1:12
[Comment From DavidDavid: ] 
how can we make the regular season relevant in college basketball? So much emphasis on March that there is no urgency for most regular season games. Plus most of November and December is cupcake city. Cut back the tourney to 32 teams? Not going to happen, but the status quo isn't working.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:12 David
1:14
Tom Noie: 
David:

Place a great emphasis on a non-league schedule which will eliminate the snoozer games of November and December. Other than that, there's not much you can - you can't start the season later because it would push everything back.

Still, we're headed into the best part of the season. Buckle up.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:14 Tom Noie
1:14
[Comment From MattMatt: ] 
I was definitely disappointed with the University in their scheduling of events. Me and my roommates attend every home basketball game, but three of them were fighting in Bengal Bouts, so our attention had to be taken from the game. Last night's student support was pretty pathetic, but I do believe it's an aberration. Hopefully the University will learn from this mistake and not make it in the future. But I do give Coach credit for finally calling the student body out, hopefully I will finally see more of my classmates attending games.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:14 Matt
1:15
Tom Noie: 
We'll be taking names and numbers for the Cincinnati game.

You're right - to schedule both events on the same is extremely short-sighted and sorry.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:15 Tom Noie
1:15
[Comment From JTJT: ] 
Do you think in the world of everyone wanted to play as Fr. Brey hurts himself in recruiting since he usually only goes 7 deep? I think it does. You can get that 8th or even that 9th man a minute or two in the first half. As we have seen you may catch lighting in a bottle. Especially in non-conf. game.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:15 JT
1:17
Tom Noie: 
JT:

Everyone wants to play, but how many guys are really ready to play? Guys who go to Notre Dame know they may not play much their freshman and sophomore seasons but will play a whole bunch their junior and senior seasons.

Mike Brey is not alone. Jim Boeheim doesn't go deep into his bench. Neither does Mike Kryzyzewski. Or Rick Pitino.

It's too easy to just say play more guys. Mike Brey's system is built on a trust of a core group. Other than the NCAA tournament, it's hard to argue with the results.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:17 Tom Noie
1:17
[Comment From DavidDavid: ] 
I agree on Digger but wonder why he isn't in already. He meant so much to the program and he still gives the program free publicity. This should happen soon while he is still alive.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:17 David
1:17
Tom Noie: 
Digger agrees.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:17 Tom Noie
1:17
[Comment From Slide_PieceSlide_Piece: ] 
In my bedroom I have a white board where I plan out future year lineups for ND hoops. How shall I slate DJ, EA, and J. Grant for next season? I can't envision DJ doing the "Brey freshman thing" where they sit out an entire season. Thoughts?
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:17 Slide_Piece
1:19
Tom Noie: 
Slide:

You have a whiteboard too? Whew, glad I'm not the only one. My wife wants to know when I'll get rid of it, bit I digress.

If the 2013-14 season started tomorrow, the starting lineup likely would be Eric Atkins and Jerian Grant in the backcourt, Cameron Biedscheid and Pat Connaughton up front and Tom Knight or Garrick Sherman in the middle.\

Demetrius Jackson would be sixth man to start. Do the Irish work more with a traditional three-guard look?

Stay tuned, and keep that whiteboard handy.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:19 Tom Noie
1:19
[Comment From JohnJohn: ] 
What is your honest prediction on how the season ends and what our seed will be in the Big East tourney?
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:19 John
1:20
Tom Noie: 
John:

Notre Dame finishes 11-7 in the league and sixth place in the Big East Championship, which drops the Irish into the deadline-dreaded 9:30 game in New York City.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:20 Tom Noie
1:20
[Comment From Adrian, DCAdrian, DC: ] 
Love/hate relationship with Tom Knight. He had some decent games a few weeks ago but he has not done much in the big games. I understand Auguste makes some frosh mistakes but I would rather deal with that than watch Knight on the floor. It would be interesting to see what Auguste would do if he started and played for long stretches.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:20 Adrian, DC
1:21
Tom Noie: 
Adrian:

That day may be coming. He's not ready now, but that may be on the docket somewhere soon down the line. I'm with you - Auguste is such a talent. Might soon be time to turn him loose.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:21 Tom Noie
1:21
[Comment From JTJT: ] 
Robb, I think it starts at the top. Being in athletics myself, I cannot tell you how bad it looks to see the cheerleaders slow walk in a couple minutes before the game starts. I know it is a little thing and it is cheerleaders but it tells you what is thought about basketball. Tough to do all those old cheers we love we the leaders of the cheers don't care. Tom your thoughts on it from top down?
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:21 JT
1:25
Tom Noie: 
JT:

I've never gotten the impression that Notre Dame men's basketball ranks as concern 1A in the athletic department. Fall Saturdays always matter more. Understandable, but you've got to have a balance.

The impression I get about Notre Dame men's basketball is this - as long as the program is competitive and successful and graduates its guys, that's OK by everyone over there.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:25 Tom Noie
1:25
[Comment From Paul, South BendPaul, South Bend: ] 
I was in the stands with about 1:00 left in the Louisville game (and coat in hand, but I stayed) explaining to my wife about how Jerian Grant is the missing piece to our puzzle and if we are going to beat good teams he has to be the guy that gets major points, and something just seems to be missing with him when BAM! I was sure the light went on right there. But then DePaul he's right back to tentative mediocrity. I mean, he only took 11 shots each of the two games in 40 minutes of play. He's the only guy we've got who can get his own shot whenever he wants, but defers way too much. I also think the previous post about taking mid-range jumpers was spot on. Tom Knight is the only guy who will take a 12-footer (EA occasionally). I guess this isn't really a question, just a rant.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:25 Paul, South Bend
1:26
Tom Noie: 
Paul:

Rant allowed today, especially after the last two games. Feeling fans have a lot of pent-up feelings (both good and bad) about Irish hoops.

Stop back and rant again if needed.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:26 Tom Noie
1:26
[Comment From ralph, glencoe, ILralph, glencoe, IL: ] 
Has Mike Brey mentioned that he wishes they had done a better job scheduling the non-conference schedule this year? In most of the RPI rankings I have seen lately, their strength of schedule is still pretty low, even 12 games into the Big East, and much lower than teams around them in the Big East standings. Maybe it is just an anomaly year where teams like Purdue were much weaker than normal, but shouldn't they know those sorts of things while scheduling and make a better schedule?
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:26 ralph, glencoe, IL
1:31
Tom Noie: 
Ralph:

Mike Brey scheduled for the regular season believing that Saint Joseph's (Pa.) and Brigham Young would be better than what they currently are. Both were supposed to be NCAA tournament teams but have struggled.

It's a fine line of balancing the non-league schedule. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It didn't work out well this season.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:31 Tom Noie
1:31
[Comment From Robb, ColoradoRobb, Colorado: ] 
There just seems to be something missing between ND basketball and the students plus the local community. What is Brey's relationship with both parties? I know it can be frustrating for Brey, the players, you, but there just seems to be something organically wrong on campus that the students don't come out and support this and previous teams. I certainly don't have any theories, but something is terribly wrong and to blame the students for not caring isn't necessarily the only option.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:31 Robb, Colorado
1:34
Tom Noie: 
Robb:

Come on, my man. Let's not read so much into it.

If the students can come out in full force for Louisville, they can come out for DePaul four days later.

if there's "something missing" between the program and the fans, then they stay away for....the...entire....season. That's not the case. The fans pick and choose what games they want to attend.

The student body attends one football game a week, then has a week or sometimes two before attending another one. That mentality seems to have carried over to hoops - can't go to DePaul, just went to Louisville. Will be back for Cincinnati.

That works for college football, not so much for college basketball.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:34 Tom Noie
1:34
[Comment From Saint KnuteSaint Knute: ] 
And the students will not stay up late to watch.....
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:34 Saint Knute
1:34
Tom Noie: 
Nope
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:34 Tom Noie
1:34
[Comment From JimJim: ] 
As you travel around the BE can you share some of your observations ? I'm talking about similarities and differences between other programs and ND, for instance. I know you're in and out of cities quickly but you can notice things pre and post games etc
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:34 Jim
1:36
Tom Noie: 
Jim:

Great question. In terms of what?

It might be better to hold off on those observations until Notre Dame goes to the Atlantic Coast Conference because those schools play their home games in on-campus arenas.

You don't get a good campus feel in a lot of the places Notre Dame plays in in the Big East. A good chunk of the road games are in NBA arenas that lack serious charm or juice. Most of the time, the building is half-empty, which has allowed the Irish to have such success.

Thursday February 14, 2013 1:36 Tom Noie
1:37
[Comment From Adrian, DCAdrian, DC: ] 
I don't think Notre Dame is alone in its problems getting kids to games. Sure some schools always do well -- like Indiana, Duke, etc. - but I see a lot of empty seats when I watch hoops games on TV, which is part of the problem, games are always on TV. Why bother with the traffic, cold weather, bathroom lines?
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:37 Adrian, DC
1:39
Tom Noie: 
Adrian:

It's two hours out of their day and a good way to get away from everything for a while. And it was nearly 50 degrees on Wednesday so it's not like they're trudging through a foot of snow in sub-zero temperatures.

And Notre Dame plays in the second-smallest building in the Big East at 9,149. It's a major problem when you can't fill so few seats.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:39 Tom Noie
1:39
[Comment From ralph, glencoe, ILralph, glencoe, IL: ] 
I will rant then. This team is better when it attacks instead of running the burn. The burn was awesome a few years ago when Harangody got hurt and I give MB a ton of credit for reinventing the team so quickly and continuing to win. I think he needs to reinvent right now and go back to a running, scoring offense (get the D-rebound and go!) and let Jerian Grant and Zach Auguste loose. I think Jerian Grant is lost because this offense does not suit his game. Your thoughts.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:39 ralph, glencoe, IL
1:40
Tom Noie: 
Ralph:

I agree. Open it up and let them get out in the open floor as well. I think they can find a balance between both - burn it when it forces the other team to guard for 30 seconds. But also get out in the open floor and get some easy baskets.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:40 Tom Noie
1:40
[Comment From Matt, South BendMatt, South Bend: ] 
An actual question this time, but it seemed like last night ND was playing aggressively offensively in the first half and actively searching for shots (which is indicated by them scoring 43 points). But then in the second half it seemed like they got complacent and were content letting the shot clock wind down and having to force bad shots. I feel like that style of play has almost lost the Irish two games against DePaul and did lose the game against UConn and St Johns. Is that by design or is it just the team getting complacent (or a combination of both)?
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:40 Matt, South Bend
1:41
Tom Noie: 
Matt:

It's a combination of trying to make DePaul guard for extended stretches, which historically they don't like to do, and also limiting possessions.

I don't like it. Keep playing and keep attacking. Mike Brey likes to talk about winging it and just going for it but holding the ball and slowing tempo is seemingly all about playing not to lose and not going for it.

Thursday February 14, 2013 1:41 Tom Noie
1:42
[Comment From Paul, South BendPaul, South Bend: ] 
I do agree with the convenience factor. How many more people would have been there had the game NOT been televised?
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:42 Paul, South Bend
1:43
Tom Noie: 
Maybe five more. It's not so much the local fans in the stands, but the students. It has to start with them. Those sections were a third full. Inexcusable for a two-hour commitment.

The students are there at 7 and gone by 9. Someone really needs to explain why that's such an issue.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:43 Tom Noie
1:52
[Comment From Gene in NYGene in NY: ] 
Tom - great job and great coverage. Exciting week, but some serious concerns remain. Three things continue to occur with alarming frequency and they all seem preventable: 1) horrid free throw shooting (particularly the guards), 2) driving to the basket out of control or jumping in the air with no gameplan leading to turnover, and the most confounding 3) running the burn and never getting a shot off! Am I being too critical? If not, what should be done to turn it around?
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:52 Gene in NY
1:53
Tom Noie: 
Gene:

Nope, not critical at all. Legitimate concerns. What should be done? How about just playing. If a shot is there, take it. Don't always probe for a better one.
Thursday February 14, 2013 1:53 Tom Noie
2:02
[Comment From GloveND from ATXGloveND from ATX: ] 
Tom, when you buy your airline ticket for the first round of the NCAAs, do you generally book expecting a first round loss and change the itinerary if they win or do you book assuming they might make it to the weekend and then peak at what flights are available for a standby flight back to SBI on Thurs/Fri?
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:02 GloveND from ATX
2:05
Tom Noie: 
Glove:

I usually buy the ticket for the longest stay in a particular city as possible, then have to adjust accordingly. Let's look at last season as an example when Notre Dame went to Greensboro.

I was booked to stay in Greensboro from Wednesday to Monday. Notre Dame played late Friday night and lost. I finished my SBT duties around 1 a.m., went back to the hotel, changed my flight, packed and jumped on a 6 a.m. flight home.

I've never had to switch a flight - either for the Big East Championship or NCAA tournament - to stay longer than anticipated. Maybe that happens this year.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:05 Tom Noie
2:06
[Comment From JohnJohn: ] 
Does it ever appear to you, as it does me, that the officials sometimes are inclined to call fouls on minor hand slaps in the back court while looking the other way at times on pushing and shoving under the bucket.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:06 John
2:08
Tom Noie: 
John:

You could go through officiating with a fine-tooth comb and it woudl drive you completely nuts. Happens in every game. Plays where you thought a foul should have been called went without a whistle. Plays you thought where no foul should be called saw fouls called.

I'm still trying to figure out Jack Cooley's fifth foul in the Louisville game. Kevin Ware jumps over Cooley's back and it's Cooley called for a foul. How is that?

Way too much pushing and shoving and grabbing is allowed under the basket. A lot is let go in the open court. If officials called every single foul, games would never end.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:08 Tom Noie
2:08
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Why is ND struggling so much defensively this year? Not that stats are authoritative answers, but they are 179th in adjusted defense.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:08 Guest
2:09
Tom Noie: 
Easy. They're not quick, not athletic and cannot protect the basket other than with Jack Cooley. The zone is shredded on a consistent basis.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:09 Tom Noie
2:09
[Comment From Bonkers in YonkersBonkers in Yonkers: ] 
Snaggles excuse was brutal. You're getting soft in your medium age. TOUGHEN UP TOM!
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:09 Bonkers in Yonkers
2:10
Tom Noie: 
Bonkers:

If he's buying lunch, I'll cut him some slack. But no excuses to ever leave a game early, especially if it's because you want to beat traffic.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:10 Tom Noie
2:10
[Comment From JackJack: ] 
Mike Brey is on track to become the all time winning coach in ND basketball history. 115 wins needed. Maybe in five years??
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:10 Jack
2:12
Tom Noie: 
Jack:

Do you have Slide Piece's whiteboard counting down/up Brey's all-time wins in your home?
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:12 Tom Noie
2:12
[Comment From Paul, South BendPaul, South Bend: ] 
I do know it's a factor in my planning. I split season tix with a friend and didn't have last night's game. If it's not on TV, I probably make an effort to get there. Maybe ND needs to try a different kind of blackout.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:12 Paul, South Bend
2:13
Tom Noie: 
Paul:

Thanks for the note, but the concern, at least last night, was not with the general fan sections but the students. They didn't bother showing up, and there was no good reason to stay away.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:13 Tom Noie
2:13
[Comment From ralph, glencoe, ILralph, glencoe, IL: ] 
In reading the discussions on why the students don't show up, the word culture came to mind. Digger started a great basketball culture on campus and in the community in the 70's, but when things went south in the 80's and 90's, it went away. To your point Tom, until the athletic administration decides men's basketball is more important, the students won't change. This team is good enough that it deserves more support, but the culture change has to start with the athletic administration.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:13 ralph, glencoe, IL
2:13
Tom Noie: 
Raplh:

Jack Swarbrick is on Line One.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:13 Tom Noie
2:13
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Maybe if they scheduled a game at CJ's or Finny's, the students (with ID) would show up?
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:13 Guest
2:13
Tom Noie: 
Only after midnight.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:13 Tom Noie
2:13
[Comment From john from njjohn from nj: ] 
Tom - Thanks for the chats. Someone asked about Duke football attendance. It's much worse. Not many students go, and they always leave early, doesn't matter waht the score is. However, Duke football is nowhere near as good as ND hoops. My question: Is something wrong with Atkins? I thought he looked bad on Saturday (obviously the FT shooting), and wasn't very involved last night. By the way, I was at Saturday's game. What a great decision that was. Unbelievable game!
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:13 john from nj
2:15
Tom Noie: 
John:

Eric Atkins was running on fumes late against Louisville and again last night. Mike Brey asked him at the under-8 minute timeout if he was OK or if he needed a break. 999 times out of 1,000 Atkins would brush it off and say, Nah, I'm good.

Last night he said, yeah, I need a rest.

Atkins played 60 minutes against Louisville and 42 last night. His energy tank is beyond E.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:15 Tom Noie
2:15
[Comment From AnitaAnita: ] 
I was happy to hear Mike Brey call out the students in his post game comments last night. They weren't the only problem, though. The non-student fans didn't show up, either. Maybe the team AND the fans were still had a basketball hangover from Saturday, but that's still not an excuse. I've heard students complain about a raise in ticket prices. Well, a friend of mine picked up two ND/MU tickets for me for the March 2nd game, and I now owe her $70! My JACC tickets are less than half that amount. So, using cost as an excuse is lame, when the Bradley Center is obviously a lot worse. (But you CAN buy a beer there....for $7 or $8)
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:15 Anita
2:16
Tom Noie: 
Anita:

So the solution is to serve Natty Light on tap in Purcell Pavilion, right?

Ticket prices are ridiculous, but I believe tickets were half off last night and could be purchased for $7.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:16 Tom Noie
2:16
[Comment From Illinois FoolIllinois Fool: ] 
Hey Tom, Did you get overtime pay for L-Ville? Hahaha, fun game to watch. Back to reality, How close was Coach Brey to burning Joey Brooks' Red Shirt late Saturday out of necessity.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:16 Illinois Fool
2:17
Tom Noie: 
IF:

No overtime for me. That went off the board years ago.

Patrick Crowley would have played before Joey Brooks, who was not dressed in a uniform. Don't know what the rules on that are, but he likely cannot suddenly run off the floor and return wearing the gold No. 32.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:17 Tom Noie
2:17
[Comment From john from njjohn from nj: ] 
I think the ND Admissions needs to start helping out. Any applicant who mentions basketball in his/her "Why ND" essay should get special consideration for admission, especially before we join the ACC. Like you said, those are serious campus venues, not like Seton Hall at the Prudential Center.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:17 john from nj
2:18
Tom Noie: 
John:

That's going to be a big change - not many half-empty arenas in the ACC.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:18 Tom Noie
2:18
[Comment From Norm from the BistroNorm from the Bistro: ] 
Did Brey express any regret about playing Patty C for all those minutes against Louisville with a sprained ankle? I know it turned out okay that night and he looked fine against DePaul, but that seems like the type of choice that would keep a coach up at night.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:18 Norm from the Bistro
2:19
Tom Noie: 
Norm:

Nope, and they don't beat Louisville without Connaughton. I was surprised he played as much as he did Wednesday - 30 minutes. He's not going to do much in practice the next two days.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:19 Tom Noie
2:19
[Comment From Dave in Scranton PaDave in Scranton Pa: ] 
Tom, first time sending you a question, love these chats? Biedschied and Auguste seem to be getting more comfortable, but they still have hiccups like 2 turnovers each last night, which pretty much got them both on the bench for most of the duration. I believe our best 5 at least as far as upside, right now is Atkins, Grant, Biedschied, Auguste and Colley with Pat C as 6th man. I dont see Biedschied overtaking PC for the starting job at 3 although their minutes are being split more, but I would like to see Auguste start at the 4 eventually, especially with Knight starting to struggle a bit offensively. Thoughts?
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:19 Dave in Scranton Pa
2:21
Tom Noie: 
Dave:

Welcome. Pat Connaughton will stay a key guy because of his ability to consistently rebound. He had 14 against Louisville but only four last night. Still, he was playing on a bad wheel.

It's only a matter of time with Auguste. He's too talented to be a bit player. Patience.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:21 Tom Noie
2:21
[Comment From ralph, glencoe, ILralph, glencoe, IL: ] 
Does Jack Swarbrick see any of the men's basketball attendance anomalies as a problem? Do you or any other people have the opportunity to ask that? What does he say if he has been asked?
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:21 ralph, glencoe, IL
2:22
Tom Noie: 
Ralph:

We'll never get a straight answer from anyone at Notre Dame - we're the last people they're going to admit to that there's a concern or a problem. That's why it was so refreshing to see Mike Brey call out of the students after the game.

He's had chances dozens of times the last few years to say the same, but would always talk about how great the crowd was and how much energy it gave his team.

Not Wednesday.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:22 Tom Noie
2:23
[Comment From Adrian, DCAdrian, DC: ] 
Im confused. Do students have to buy tix? At most schools, the tix are part of an activity fee and are therefore free. So when you have a big game, they line up or camp out for the free tix. Do they have to pay at ND? If so, then that is a problem.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:23 Adrian, DC
2:24
Tom Noie: 
Adrian:

I'm not sure how it works for student tickets (anyone from the Legion out there??) If they do have to pay the cost likely is nowhere near that of the regular ticket. It cannot be.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:24 Tom Noie
2:29
[Comment From Paul, South BendPaul, South Bend: ] 
This is conjecture, but as I understand it, it used to be a season ticket, but has since gone to individual game charges, which may explain why only the big games see a full house.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:29 Paul, South Bend
2:29
Tom Noie: 
Paul:

Thanks for the clarification.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:29 Tom Noie
2:29
[Comment From Adrian, DCAdrian, DC: ] 
Right but kids are fickle. I also understand it is not free if it is part of an activity fee. Still to the student is is perceived as free. I believe all ACC schools go on the activity fee plan. Knowing most college kids, they aint paying $7 if the game is on TV unless it is a huge freakin game. Two games left --pick up the check Jack! Free tix for students!
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:29 Adrian, DC
2:29
[Comment From Matt, South BendMatt, South Bend: ] 
Students have to buy tickets, and it's $70 for the season, or $5 per game or so.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:29 Matt, South Bend
2:37
[Comment From Illinois FoolIllinois Fool: ] 
Crazy question that came to me. In the spirit of the NBA All Star Weekend upon us, which Irish player would fair the best in a dunk contest? My guess Auguste as he seems the most athletic of the big guys.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:37 Illinois Fool
2:38
Tom Noie: 
IF:

I would go with any combination of Zach Auguste, Pat Connaughton or Jerian Grant. Auguste's dunks in games are often off the charts but may lose style points when nobody is around him.

Thursday February 14, 2013 2:38 Tom Noie
2:39
[Comment From Dave in Scranton PaDave in Scranton Pa: ] 
Agreed, Pat C is a key cog and he needs to get 25-30 most nights. Back to a topic earlier, and I know this is kind of a sore spot with you, I dont like Grant and Atkins ( especially Atkins) getting 38-40 minutes a night. I think next year when we have DJ, you can play Atkins and Grant 30-32 a night and those guys will both be better for it and DJ probably will barely be a dropoff in production.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:39 Dave in Scranton Pa
2:40
Tom Noie: 
Dave:

Not a sore spot with me in any way because there's no other guard option at this point. It's not like there are two guards on the bench not getting minutes. Atkins and Grant have to play a lot and those minutes are going to not be so heavy next year because of Jackson.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:40 Tom Noie
2:40
[Comment From Paul, South BendPaul, South Bend: ] 
You think it's bad now, wait till next year with UCF, etc on the schedule. Although maybe Demetrius will give the non-student sections a boost.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:40 Paul, South Bend
2:41
Tom Noie: 
Paul:

Ugh, thanks for that reminder. Don't forget SMU and Houston.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:41 Tom Noie
2:41
[Comment From ralph, glencoe, ILralph, glencoe, IL: ] 
I am just going to purge all my thoughts today Tom! A big thank you for doing this to allow us more information on program. The biggest mistake the administration made in terms of men's basketball was contracting the size of the arena and charging more to cover the cost of lost seats. To Anita's comments, the cost in South Bend to see a game isn't bad, but, for me, I loved traveling into town with my entire family to a game each year. They essentially doubled that cost when they contracted and it costs me over $100 to bring my family to one game (to sit in the worst seats in the house no less). It used to be a little more than half that (which was much more palatable). For me, the contraction was also the administration saying we are not even going to try and grow this program, speaking again back to the culture. Poor, poor move in my mind.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:41 ralph, glencoe, IL
2:41
Tom Noie: 
Ralph:

Great points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:41 Tom Noie
2:42
[Comment From john from njjohn from nj: ] 
True story from Sat. night. We were sitting in the last row. Jack Swarbrick and his wife (plus Manti and football players) were sitting right above us (club level?). Jack and wife left their seats with 1 min. to go. I don't know whether they left the arena.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:42 john from nj
2:42
Tom Noie: 
John:

Good stuff.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:42 Tom Noie
2:46
[Comment From Adrian, DCAdrian, DC: ] 
Prediction? The Catholic schools defect after this year to go the CYO route and Notre Dame winds up leaving early.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:46 Adrian, DC
2:47
Tom Noie: 
Adrian:

Where do we sign up for that? I'll take it. Staying in the Big East one more year makes a little sense with the rest of the Catholic schools staying, but once they leave, it's time to head for the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:47 Tom Noie
2:59
Tom Noie: 
Thanks to all who participated in today's chat. I have to head to Notre Dame for player interviews so the chat's coming to an end. Let's do it again next week - Thursday at noon.

If you have a question or comment that cannot wait, drop me a note at tnoie@schurz.com. Thanks. Have a great weekend.
Thursday February 14, 2013 2:59 Tom Noie
2:59